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[Moosy Crisp]

bahahaha he will never win. If you make it a one barreled weapon that can reload 2x as fast as your fancy german machine gun, you could kill more targets. 50 people with Metal Storm HMG's VS. 50 people with fancy german guns? I would pick the Metal Storm.

That and the fact that it's inventor was a genius. It took years to perfect those heavy machine guns like the SAW and M60's and whatnot. All those military geniuses took all that time, and they get outshined by an Aussie grocer. Priceless.

[AllStarZ]

Many things can go wrong with an electronic system that are not easily fixable in the field of battle. And then consider the cost plus the practicality of an electronic weapon which can fire a million rounds in one minute. With that sort of firepower, you would require electronic assistance to aim.

Edited by AllStarZ, 22 November 2006 - 02:17.

[Eddy01741]

You guys are fighting for an utterly lost cause (not you allstar ) Seriously, what's hte point of having a one barreled gun that you can fire at like 6000RPM when you have to reload every 10 rounds? THe whole point of having a high rpm is to put out a wall of lead, having ot reload every 10 seconds isn't a 'wall of lead' why do you thik we use phalanx on all our naval ships? Why do you think we don't have one barreled metal storms on them instead of vulcans which have 6 barrels and go from 3500-6000rpm? I would rather have a 1500RPM machine gun with 200 round belts than a one barreled metal storm with tons of 'strips' of metal storm bullets.

BTW if troops have 200 round belts, they won't have to reload for a LONG TIME, while metal storm neds to reload... basically after each second of fire.

Edited by Eddy01741, 22 November 2006 - 04:15.

[Eureka Seven]

have one barled metal storm and use the speed loader on it or create something that will feed the gun as fast as it will shoot for a good period of time.

Edited by Shas'O Kais, 22 November 2006 - 05:40.

[Moosy Crisp]

AllStarZ, on 21 Nov 2006, 20:15, said:

Many things can go wrong with an electronic system that are not easily fixable in the field of battle. And then consider the cost plus the practicality of an electronic weapon which can fire a million rounds in one minute. With that sort of firepower, you would require electronic assistance to aim.

True, but think of the fallbacks you get with conventional firearms. When your MG jams, it takes a while to get the bugger cleaned out, which could cost you time. Metal Storms can't jam, because they have little or no moving parts. When your MG misfires, you have to fish it out. With a Metal Storm, all you have to do is fire again, and the round behind it will push it out.

Although you may get screwed if the electronic system in the Metal Storm breaks, I'd think it would be extremely easier to care for than just a normal MG.

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You guys are fighting for an utterly lost cause (not you allstar smile.gif) Seriously, what's hte point of having a one barreled gun that you can fire at like 6000RPM when you have to reload every 10 rounds? THe whole point of having a high rpm is to put out a wall of lead, having ot reload every 10 seconds isn't a 'wall of lead' why do you thik we use phalanx on all our naval ships? Why do you think we don't have one barreled metal storms on them instead of vulcans which have 6 barrels and go from 3500-6000rpm? I would rather have a 1500RPM machine gun with 200 round belts than a one barreled metal storm with tons of 'strips' of metal storm bullets.

BTW if troops have 200 round belts, they won't have to reload for a LONG TIME, while metal storm neds to reload... basically after each second of fire.

The point is, Metal Storms are versataile. With the possibility of an interchangable barrel system, you can shoot down missles, planes, tanks, buildings, infantry or whatever you want. Your Phalinx has the possibility of only doing ( at the most ) three of these tasks. You may not be able to reload them as fast or hold in the trigger for three minutes and have a continuos wall of lead, but possibly, you will be able to use the Metal Storm in a variety of ways conventional firearms cannot.

[Eddy01741]

Shas'O Kais, on 22 Nov 2006, 00:39, said:

have one barled metal storm and use the speed loader on it or create something that will feed the gun as fast as it will shoot for a good period of time.

Speed load=, you load the rounds in still MANUALLY. This si so pointless, face it, a metal storm is so impractical compared to a conventional mg. It may look cool, but revolutionary? Maybe for a system of firing ullets instead of the blowback, gas and recoil systems, but certainly not the weapon itself. Anyways, are you kidding me, you htink a infantary man with 10 bullets in his 'one barreled' metal storm with speed loaders (EQUALS MANUAL LOADING, it's the equivelent of strip or charger loading for old bolt action rifles) can shoot down a missile, or even an aircraft? A phalanx can pwn the metal storm in everything, including practicality and speed of reloading, to reload a phalanx.... well, the hting has over a 1000 round belt, you'd need a large barrage of missiles to make it run out since it is computer controlled, so that means that it doesn't waste bullets like trigger happy gunmen. And you can reload out of heat of battle unlike the metal storm. ANd to reload a machine gun, simple, pop out the top of the reviever, move a belt on, close reciever, and cock, easy, and to unjam a jammed gun, just cock the gun manually and the round will be ejected... Anyways, you think 1000 bullets can kill an abrams your wrong, unless you can get like 30mm armor piercing rounds like the GAU-8 that the A-10 has (which is a vulcan/gattling type) then it won't work. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHY I GET SO PISSED OFF AT THIS TOPIC? MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, SOMEBODY KEPT SAYING THAT METAL STORM IS BETTER THAN A REGULAR MACHINE GUN FOR... WHAT 3 PAGES STRAIGHT, GET IT RIGHT, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, TAKES LONGER TO RELOAD, CARRIES LESS BULLETS IN A 'CLIP' OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, AND IT'S SO FREAKING IMPRACTICAL. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME TO CALM DOWN AFTER I HAVE TOLD YOU PEOPLE SO MANY TIMES THAT THE METAL STORM IS REDUNDANT, IMPRACTICAL AND NOTHING MORE, YES IT'S GREAT TO WIN A GUINNESS WORLD RECORD, DOES IT MEAN IT'S GREAT IN COMBAT, NOT SO MUCH.
/RANT OVER

[Moosy Crisp]

k simmer down.

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Anyways, you think 1000 bullets can kill an abrams your wrong

If 1000 of those bullets are Metal Storm 40mm HE grenades, I think you are wrong.

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well, the hting has over a 1000 round belt, you'd need a large barrage of missiles to make it run out since it is computer controlled, so that means that it doesn't waste bullets like trigger happy gunmen

Touche, but you forgot that the Metal Storm varies in size from pistols to turret mounted systems, which use computer controlled aiming as well.

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DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHY I GET SO PISSED OFF AT THIS TOPIC?

I think it is because you are afraid of being wrong. I can voice my opinion here, and if I think that the Metal Storm is a better weapon, I can say so. I respect your opinion, but here's a pointer. Don't use caps. Not only does it look like you don't have a clue what you are talking about, it's rude.

[Eddy01741]

OMFG *BANGS HEAD ON WALL* 40MM F*KING GRENADES CAN"T PIERCE CHOBHAM LIKE ARMOR CALLED BURLINGTON, CAN IT, OR AM I WRONG BECAUSE I'M THE ONE THAT KNOWS SH*T ABOUT TANKS BESIDES ALLSTARZ. ME BEING AFRAID OF BEING WRONG, HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS BEING STUBBORN, C"MON. AND TELL ME, WHAT'S BETTER A PHALANX WITH 1000 ROUNDS WITH AUTOMATIC RELOADING, OR A 10 ROUND METAL STORM THAT HAS TO BE RELOADED EVERY TIME IT FIRES? STOP PULLING STUFF OUTTA YOUR BUTT AND START LOOKING AT LOGIC, AND REAL LIFE, JEEZE, IF YOU POST THINKING THAT METALSTORM IS COMPLETELY AWESOME, I'LL GO REDIRECT YOU TO TWO MILITARY WEAPONRY BASED FORUMS AND YOU GO POST A TOPIC AND SEE HOW THEY RESPOND.

RANT OVER

[MLRS]

If you fire 50 HE grenades at a abhrams it will die.

[AllStarZ]

My god you guys are idiots.

*walks out of the topic*

Just before I go however, 40 mm grenades, no matter how many you fire at one concentrated spot of an Abrams, will be ineffective. HE Grenades are far too inefficient in their use of explosive power, and even armor piercing grenades (misnomer) have insufficient capability to punch through the armor of a modern MBT. Furthermore, many modern tank designs utilize armor designed to absorb and withstand shockwaves created by explosions, and thats without reactive armor. And also, a 50 barreled design will almost certainly require a mounting of some sort, which would be incredibly vulnerable anyways, as a tank gun outranges grenades.

An important thing to note is that by the time World War II rolled into its mid stages, firing purely HE shells at other tanks amounted to nothing, unless it was against the light tanks of that war, or if it was well aimed at the suspension, engine compartment, or at the joint between the turret and the hull.

Many modern, explosive anti-tank weapons have to utilize a shaped charge to actually do anything to a tank, and even then shaped charge weapons can be easily countered. I mean eventually you'll destroy it, but otherwise it'd be more efficient to send a couple of guys with real anti-tank weaponry.

Finally, the actual Metal Storm Grenade launcher looks like this:


Metal Storm has great potential (anti-aircraft, anti-missile, etc.) but its current applications as an ultra high firing rate weaponare limited by computer control. Furthermore, electronic weapons if they break down in the middle of battle, well you're more screwed than if your rifle jams or misfires, because you can often clear the jam or clear the chamber of the said flawed bullet. If electronics break down, you're screwed, period. Most of the bugs with metal storm are said to have been cleared, but a soldered wire or two can always come loose.

Edited by AllStarZ, 24 November 2006 - 03:51.

[Eureka Seven]

im going to spam right now(sorry for it btw) and say eddy if u cant use the caps lock properly take it out of the key board, all its makeing u look like is an idiot and over reacting once again, if u cant handel stuipity i suggest you dont read or post in Warfare and technology.

Edited by Shas'O Kais, 24 November 2006 - 14:37.

[Eddy01741]

Shas'O Kais, on 23 Nov 2006, 23:00, said:

im going to spam right now(sorry for it btw) and say eddy if u cant use the caps lock properly take it out of the key board, all its makeing u look like is an idiot and over reacting once again, if u cant handel stuipity i suggest you dont read or post in the deep end.

I thik i have the right to overreact after 3 pages of pure idioticism (i know it's not a word) and after trying to prove you wrong because you are wrong. Anyways, 40mm greandes, no way, not on abrams armor. Look man, explosive rounds arn't good vs. armor, they spread the dmg of the impact, maybwe that's why AT guns used HE for field gun purposes ONLY, and used solid shell or HEAT which concentrate power better for AT roles. mmkay, also, notice the great energy transfer of metal, shoot at a piece of metal 1 mm thick, the bulle tgoes right through, shoot at 10mm thick, maybe the bullet will make a dent in a sort, but 100mm, the bullet scratches the metal, not even indenting it. Well, a 40mm grenade helps the energy transfer by spreading energy among the metal even more, do youg et where im' goin? Anyways, until we can find an AFFOFRDABLE and quick reloading solution for Metal storm, well... it's useless for pretty much anything.

EDIT: of course i can't handle stupidity, and by saying that, you just basically said that you are stupid.

Edited by Eddy01741, 24 November 2006 - 04:29.

[Eureka Seven]

yes i admit im not knolegable on this certain weapon and the statistics, and what you could do to make it auto reload. Stupid people admiting there stupid are actually smart people. o and btw i belive u do have the right to over react when things get out of hand and becaome a morons paradice, but so far iv seen you over react 3 times and alot of this hasent been very stupid its actually been logical for the most part.

Edited by Shas'O Kais, 24 November 2006 - 14:40.

[Eddy01741]

Stupid people admitting they're stupid = they get admitted into the community, stupid people not admitting they're stupid= they get hated. Just like in games, if your not good, and know it, and say so, then your a newbie, simply, new to the game, if you do stupid stuff eeven though you've playe dthe game for a while, your a n00b. Anyways, i'm not overreacting, as i have replied over like 20 times here proving you wrong... every time, you have logic, but i have better ogic, like somebody saying 40mm HE nades can kill abrams, it can't lol. Now, lease end this, and go to say.. strategypage.com and postsomething there and see how they react.

[Moosy Crisp]

Let me guess, they're military experts too XD. They play BF2 so they should know what should happen in real life, I guess.

[AllStarZ]

Eddy01741, on 24 Nov 2006, 15:51, said:

strategypage.com and postsomething there and see how they react.

*opens the door again*

Those people aren't qualified too. Anyways consider my point.

*slams door shut again*

[Eddy01741]

More qualified than more than half the people here lmao. However, i admit there are a fair share of raptor, abrams, apache fanboys (they don't like russian tanks, jets, or choppers), which is why i dont' go there no more. Heres a good one: http://www.worldaffa...isplay.php?f=10
BTW, u gotta be a member to see the threads.

Edited by Eddy01741, 26 November 2006 - 17:07.

[Moosy Crisp]

I shouldn't have to sign up for some dunderhead to try and prove me wrong.

Like I said, just because you play BF2 doesn't mean you know jack shit about anything in real life.

[Eddy01741]

Yeah, i havn't playd BF2 in over a year, it's so freaking unrealistic, I have played AA though (americas army) and that's 10000 bajillion times more realistic. Anyways, your kinda getting into the assumption that war junkies play BF2, in which they don't do that much. Seriously, your BF2 analogy is very conditional, your saying like this: If the guy plays BF2, he doesn't know sh*t about weapons, well take the converse of that, If he doesn't know sh*t about weapons, he plays BF2, and the contrapositive, He knows shit about weapons, he doesn't play BF2.

Well, the converse and the contrapositive are obviously wrong, your statement isn't even bi-conditional, it's the stupidest statement in the world.And yes, dont' sign up cuz you know you'll be proved wrong. Because people like M-21 Sniper will pwn your ass to the ground.

EDIT: And who the hell said i play BF2, it's the worst f*cking game in the world with allt he patches, version 1.00 was better than the current 1.4, it sucks so much. I've 'tried' to go back to BF2 about 5 times, but yet, it's so bad of a game as it doesn't require any skill to play, that's why i play CnC. Anyways, heres a better statement for you:
If you know the least bit of jack shit about weapons, you know the metal storm ain't that great
converse: if you think the metal storm aint that great, you know the least bit of jack shit about weappons
contrapositive: If you think the metall storm is great, you dn't know the least bit jack shit about weapons

Edited by Eddy01741, 26 November 2006 - 19:17.

[Moosy Crisp]

yeah some guy who is 48 and lives with his grandma will own me with his Uber knowledge from some nerdy Star Wars gun site. If you have to redirect me to some place to prove me wrong, it says to me that I have stumped you, and you couldn't come up with anything to say.

[Eddy01741]

I redirected you to a better site than this one in knowledge of warfare tech, if you don't wanna see for yourself, suit yourself.

Oh and, i don't think you even know wo M-21 sniper is, first off, if he was 48, and he lived with his GRANDMA, that means hes taking care of his grandma, jeeze she is probably like 90+ years old, think.. use logic, jeeze, my grandma lived with my great grandfather, maybe it was because he lived to be 102 years old? And needed a lil more than a maid still in China, mmkay. Anyways, i don't htink you can outsmart a vietnam vet.

Oh, and edit again, i redirect you since, there are onlly about 2 people at HERE knowledgable about weapons, and you obviously don't get the whole point yet as it seems that 2 people can't put logic into your brain, os i'll have like at least 10 people do it for me since at here you obviously arn't getting the jist of things no matter how obviously i put everything.

Edited by Eddy01741, 26 November 2006 - 22:22.

[Moosy Crisp]

So, the man over the internet who you think isn't 48 is a Vietnam vet? okay.

2 people here that are knowledgeable and I'm damn sure you are not one of them. KNow let's get back to the topic at hand before you get us kicked out.

The Metal Storm is revolutionary in design. It can be used in many different situations, from anti infantry to anti missle, which other weapon systems cannot. It will change the way we make guns forever.

[Alias]

If you want realism, go FarCry.

[Eddy01741]

Moosy Crisp!, on 26 Nov 2006, 18:22, said:

So, the man over the internet who you think isn't 48 is a Vietnam vet? okay.

2 people here that are knowledgeable and I'm damn sure you are not one of them. KNow let's get back to the topic at hand before you get us kicked out.

The Metal Storm is revolutionary in design. It can be used in many different situations, from anti infantry to anti missle, which other weapon systems cannot. It will change the way we make guns forever.

lol, i'm more knowledgable than you, that's obvious, y'kno wwhat, i'm leaving htis topic, for GOOD, if you don't wanna take obvious logic, than don't, i don' care if you think it's revolutionary, it's not. And yeah, i'm sure i'd rather use a 10 round weapon instead of a 1000 round vulcan or a patriot missile for anti-missile, i'm sre i'd rather use a 10 round grenade launching weapon than a Javelin AT missile, i'm sure i'd rather use a 10 round machinegun than a 200 round one for mowing down hordes of infantry, and i'm sure as hell that i'd rather have a 10 round metal storm on my A-10 or any other jet instead of a 1000 round 20mm vulcan cannon that shoots at 6000 rpm or a 30mm GAU-8 that uses DU bullets. Yes, your right, i'd obviously rather have a metalstorm than any other weapon for ANY situation. /sarcasm


Byebye, you can keep arguing, but it's obvious your wrong, so byebye, Anyways, he is a vietnam vet, how do you think he used a M-21 in a war, i don't think htey used M-21s in korea, not WWII, not WWI not the gulf war, and not the 2nd gulf war, and sure as hell there are vietnam vets there. Look, you may not htink thye're knowledgable, but they're more knowledgable than you by FAR. And if you want want realism go americas Army, just us ethe M-249 SAW and see how unnecesary a faster firing gun is, y'kno wwhat, just go to Iraq and be a support gunner/auto-rifleman see how uneffective a metal storm would be, i'm so sure troops would LOVE to have to reload every 10 rounds. Okay, you wanted military knowledge, you got it, you obviously are too ignorant to take it so i'll leave, why do you think Allstarz left already, because you people are too IGNORANT TO THE FACTS, SO BYEBYE.

EDIT: you think i'm not knowledgable, sure, YOU MUST BE THE KNOWLEDGABLE ONE. Yeah you little selfish brat, i'm sure you'd be knowledgabele by saying a 10 round 10000+rpm weapon would be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME as a replacement for normal LMGs, yeah, real commmon sense there. I countered each one of all your arguements with ease, you lose, I win, or more like, your logic loses, as common sense and normal logic wins as always.

Edited by Eddy01741, 27 November 2006 - 14:02.

[Moosy Crisp]

Ok cya later dude have fun. Say hello to denial for me. Go hang out with your Vietnam Vet/ Military Expert/ Military Commander friends.