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[Rot Front]

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Hmm... lets see... wars the US has won, Oh oh, We kicked ass in the pacific campaigns of WW2, and brought that war to an end. We kicked Sadam Husain out of Kuwait in 100hrs! should I continue?

The main role in victory in WW2 belonged to Soviet Union... Russian soldiers have thrown out occupants from our Land, and liberated Eastern Europe and China. It was not American flag hovered above remains of Reichstag, it was Red Flag with Star and Sickle and Hammer! If talk about Pacific campaign, USA destroyed just naval forces of Japan, and dropped nukes to civilian cities (NOT military bases!). It was a fact of mass destruction of Japaneese civilians, just another american war crime... But Japaneese Kwantun Army, their main ground force, which quartered in Mongolia, was defeated by Soviet Army.

Iraq..? First war in Gulf wasn't ended with victory for USA - Saddam Hussein was remained with power. Second war wasn't ended, and war actions will stop only if american army will be removed from Iraq. You are not capable to victory.

What if USA will attack 'equal' side, one of world's superpowers? Russia, for example... If America can't defeat pity, little Vietnam, what they do in Russia? Answer: they will suck. Until then last american will be kneeling and ask about mercy.

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Our military is THE best, bar none, we can take on any country, anywhere, anytime we want, and emerge victorious. We have the tools, the training, and better yet, the EXPIERIANCE to win. We are second to NOONE.

It is not true, statistically Russian army is stroger and more numerous.
Even if to assume, that american army 'THE best', it means nothing. German Army in 1941 was the strongest, the most expirienced after conquest of ALL Europe... and German soldiers are very brave (that i will not tell about American). And what from it..? The result is known - Red Flag over Berlin. The occasion to think for you...

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Just be glad you don't live here

Of corse i'm glad what I not live in country which I hate

Americans are only savages, barbarians who think that their order and way of life is the best and they imposing it with force to others. WHO NEEDS YOUR FUCKING 'DEMOCRACY'?
Whole world hates you... even Europe, which licks your ass.

[Teukka]

Rot Front, it seems that you have rather strong views about people living in the States, but can I ask you; how many Americans you know/have known personally and have you ever been to the US yourself, to see the place out?

I know the images of the US are usually rather negative but I personally haven't seen anything that would potray the US the way you do. For instance, in that other thread, you said something like that all Americans can be held responsible because they have chosen the country's president but what about those who voted for some other candidate than Bush or didn't vote at all?

And as far as I know, there isn't Soviet Union no more. And there must have been some serious reasons for it to break up, don't you think?

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Whole world hates you... even Europe, which licks your ass.

But, generalizations like these take away the credibility of your arguments.

I'm an European and I don't hate or love or asskiss US or it's citizens, as my opinions are totally neutral towards the country itself cause I don't have a first-hand view or experience of the States.

And I prefer to evaluate individuals, rather than masses.

Edit: typos

Edited by Teukka, 09 September 2007 - 08:09.

[Rot Front]

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Rot Front, it seems that you have rather strong views about people living in the States, but can I ask you; how many Americans you know/have known personally and have you ever been to the US yourself, to see the place out?

It is not necessary to see the agressive position of the USA. Wars in Korea and Vietnam (just fro influence sphere! As usuall, neither Koreans, nor Vietnameese didn't want your 'democracy', they builds socialism!), occupation of Iraq, bombardment of Yugoslavia, following with genocide of these nations (using napalm, chemical weapons, carpet bombings etc). That's all fair, 'democratic' acts in your opinion?

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And as far as I know, there isn't Soviet Union no more. And there must have been some serious reasons for it to break up, don't you think?

The most serious reason - traitors in government. When Communist Party had lost the string of management, standart of living started to fall. In crush of USSR was fault of America too - they warmed up natinalistic moods in Soviet republics, what had led to many local conflicts (Georgia-Abhasia, Tajikistan, Chechnya etc).

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But, generalizations like these take away the credibility of your arguments.

I'm hate not American nation, but America as country. Stupidness isn't a crime. No their fault in it - USA have so bad education system because stupid uneducated zombie-inhabitants are easy to control for zionist-fashist government.
And passionarity isn't inherent to Americans. I haven't heard about any fact of american mass heroism.

Edited by Rot Front, 09 September 2007 - 09:13.

[Teukka]

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occupation of Iraq, bombardment of Yugoslavia, following with genocide of these nations (using napalm, chemical weapons, carpet bombings etc). That's all fair, 'democratic' acts in your opinion?

Well, I don't find shelling of Mainila any fair act either, It isn't only the "western countries" that commit this kind of injustices.


Also when you said that Americans are saveges etc. few posts back; (Warning: some may find that picture gruesome.) do you find this human then?:

That link leads to Helsingin Sanomat (the biggest newspaper, not a tabloid, in Finland) picture archive which has pictures about the Winter War

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Sodan todellisuudesta kertovat kuvat, jotka todistava ihmissyönnistä. Kenttäkeittiöastian kansi ja venäläissotilaan kylkiluita Leipäsuolla maaliskuussa 1943.

Roughly translated to: "Telling about the true face of war are the pictures that show proof about cannibalism on the front. Foodkit's lid and ribs of an russian soldier on Leipäsuo, march 1943."

As I asked, you think this is human? "The massheroes eating fellow humans?"

There was also pictures of an old russian camp that had human skin hanging on a tree, but if I remember correctly that was from one the soldiers personal album. If someone wants to see it as a proof, I can propably still find it from somewhere.

Edit: found the picture: Don't click if you can't take the shock

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"Vihollisen vakoilupartio, jäätyään muonalähetyksiä vaille oli teurastanut pari saman partion jäsentä ja syönyt niistä suurimman osan.

"Enemy's spypatrol, left without food supplies, had slaughtered few of the same patrols members and eaten the most of them."

All pictures, same warning as in previous ones

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your 'democracy'

Just for your information, Finnish democracy is different from the USA. For example, taxes on Finland are much higher, but with those there is, for one, better social security system in Finland, and for another example, education here is "free" all the way from Comprehensive School to University and any other high level education. It's all paid from the (seemingly) heavy (some of them are even proggressive) taxes.

And, by the way I'm officially member of the social democratic party of Finland, which most people would consider "red" eventhough not as "red" as communism.

Edited by Teukka, 09 September 2007 - 10:11.

[namman2]

ok, america didn't attack iraq to bring them democracy they attacted iraq to put some asslikers leaders and to fill the american asses with oil and about this movie that americas troops attack alqaeda what ever yopu call them ,america made alqaeda to be an excuse to attack a country but the word "we must protect civilans", and @ tank50us american troops dont care about civilans the shoot them because they are not human (not all american) ,and the same thing israel do and this is what they say when they kill a child :ooh i thought he jad a bomb....." and the same bull sht every time ,and the republican guards fo iraq would have kicked you @$$ out if they were no traitors in the iraqi leadership.

Edited by namman2, 09 September 2007 - 10:30.

[Slye_Fox]

Dude, that's one extreamly long sentence.

Not criticizing your english, put a comma (,) and full stop (.) every now and then, would make it easyer to read...... and breath.

Edited by Slye_Fox, 09 September 2007 - 10:28.

[Vengence]

Does all this arguing justify making this mod anything other than USA bashing? Because it is becoming a senseless argument about the past where few if any of us were even born in. The victors craft history while the defeated live in it. For all we know your 'heroes' were dreadful savages that beheaded Germans as a time passer. But we wouldn't ever know since history is shaped to better reflect the winners. Japan was A-Bombed to prevent tens of thousands of casualties and was written in history as a necessary sacrifice to prevent greater harm. Even now the war in Iraq is made to look like an attempt at stopping terrorism, befalling a dictator, and liberating people. The people may be liberated, the dictator gone, but the violence is still there as well as the greed.

Edited by Vengence, 09 September 2007 - 10:45.

[Rot Front]

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Roughly translated to: "Telling about the true face of war are the pictures that show proof about cannibalism on the front. Foodkit's lid and ribs of an russian soldier on Leipäsuo, march 1943."

Act of cannibalism are registered in sieged by nazis Leningrad. People eated corpses... of course, it is disgustingly.. but it was 900-days blokede of city, stocks of the foodstuffs were terminated very quickly, and 40% of city population died because of famine. Plus continious shellings and bombings.

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Just for your information, Finnish democracy is different from the USA. For example, taxes on Finland are much higher, but with those there is, for one, better social security system in Finland, and for another example, education here is "free" all the way from Comprehensive School to University and any other high level education. It's all paid from the (seemingly) heavy (some of them are even proggressive) taxes.

I'm talking not about Finland or USA, i'm talking about all western society...

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And, by the way I'm officially member of the social democratic party of Finland, which most people would consider "red" eventhough not as "red" as communism.

Social democrats, as far as I understand, more democrats than socialsts...

P.s. I'm official member of Russian National Socialist party. But now this party is forbidden because of attempt of revolution in 1997.

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Does all this arguing justify making this mod anything other than USA bashing?

Most of Russian hates USA. But I making this mod because i'm interested in realistic weaponry, this idea is gone to me long time ago. But of course, killing americans, even 'virtually', would be pleasant for many people, not only for me.

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For all we know your 'heroes' were dreadful savages that beheaded Germans as a time passer.

Germans did similar, even worse. Animal cruelty of Waffen-SS troops is a fact.

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Even now the war in Iraq is made to look like an attempt at stopping terrorism, befalling a dictator, and liberating people.

They DIDN'T asked USA about this. If people want to displace 'dictator', they will make a revolt.

[Rayburn]

This is it, you Sir, will stop with the bloody politics now. You keep violating forum rules. Number one is that you keep talking about politics and number two is that you do that in such a way that it insults people. Stop flaming the Americans or anyone else, stop it. Get back to discussing your models which look pretty promising while we're at it but STOP the bloody discussion or a temp-ban will be brought upon you. We don't mind that you have that opinion but we sure as hell mind the way you keep rubbing it under our noses. Keep this uncivilised flaming for yourself. If honour is so important to you then why do you act like a twat and insult people who you think are weaker than you anyway? Stop. It. Now.

Edited by Rayburn, 09 September 2007 - 12:58.

[Prophet of the Pimps]

Congratulations Rot Front. You just earned yourself a 2 weeks vacation from this forum. Spend that time well and Remember when we say no fucking politics on the forum then we mean it.

Now Good-bye.

:admin:

[Vengence]

:wahhhhhaa: Wow thats... Note to self: Never ever piss off admins ever! You admins scare me sometimes. :chainer:

Edited by Vengence, 09 September 2007 - 16:14.

[Soul]

That guy was starting to get on my nerves too, what a jerk.

[Vengence]

True... :stickattack3:

[Sgt. Nuker]

Let it go gents. Keep on topic please, there's nothing more to see here.


Regards,

Nuker

[Prophet of the Pimps]

Vengence, on 9 Sep 2007, 21:44, said:

:wahhhhhaa: Wow thats... Note to self: Never ever piss off admins ever! You admins scare me sometimes. :chainer:

I put that there for a reason you know.

[Judgement]

I saw that coming a mile away

Politics are okay to discuss in a CIVILIZED matter. But they shouldnt be discussed here though at all. Too many different nationalities and different opinions and not everyone is willing to look at the other point of view.

Models are good though.

[Vengence]

Prophet of the Pimps, on 9 Sep 2007, 14:07, said:

Vengence, on 9 Sep 2007, 21:44, said:

:wahhhhhaa: Wow thats... Note to self: Never ever piss off admins ever! You admins scare me sometimes. :chainer:

I put that there for a reason you know.

*rapidly nods head*

[AZZKIKR]

I SWEAR NOT TO PISS OFF ADMIN

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sorry for necromancing old thread but description of black eagle is wrong. the project is dead. the turret is manned with a 152mm gun. the unmanned turret version is the T-95, said to be armed with a 135mm gun. just if u want to know.

(please don't ban me! i couldn't help myself!)

Edited by AZZKIKR. the kicker of ass, 24 September 2007 - 13:23.

[Rot Front]

No, you are wrong.

T-80AT (simplified version of Black Eagle, will be in Russian army since 2012) is armed with 125 mm cannon
Basic Black Eable (Obyekt-640) is armed with 135 mm cannon
T-95, which haven't any relations to Black Eagle (T-95 is fully new tank design) armed with 152 mm cannon

Both Black Eagle and T-95 have unmanned turrets.

[Rot Front]

BTW my T-95 model

[Soul]

It looks like a tank destroyer to me.

Also I hoped you've learned your lesson about politics during your vacation form the forums Rot Front .

[Rot Front]

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Also I hoped you've learned your lesson about politics during your vacation form the forums Rot Front

I'm really had gone too far with insulting... But I'm glad that here nobody tried to show my political criticism of US government/agressive position/education system etc as a nationalism act. Can you you expect another position to Western society from Russian communist?

And now, forgot whatever i said...

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It looks like a tank destroyer to me.

But actually it is the future (but real) MBT of Russian army. By the way, IMO turret looks a bit unrealistic. I will redo...

[Rayburn]

Interesting design, especially the turret looks quite unconventional. That's the nasty thing with the 152mil, isn't it?
The model is good, very detailed and accurate like your others.

[Rot Front]

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Interesting design, especially the turret looks quite unconventional. That's the nasty thing with the 152mil, isn't it?

Turret is unmanned. And 152 mm cannon can penetrate any armor which exists on the Earth

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The model is good, very detailed and accurate like your others.

thanks

[Soul]

It would most likely not penetrate the armor on this tank I made up for Canada .