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[JJ]

Golan got there first Admiral.

Edited by JJ, 20 July 2009 - 10:10.

[Camille]

also now that i have many clear screenshots i have to admit the art direction i am seeing is absolutely disgusting save from certain aspects.

they really do look like shapeless plastic toys.

but considering this is still an alpha stage, anything can happen...

Edited by Prey, 20 July 2009 - 10:15.

[Libains]

The crawler concept could have been very good, but from what I'm seeing here they a) aren't actually crawling vehicles, but walkers. b) look like EA were playing with Lego and decided it would be a good premise for a new game. c) are a horrible game dynamic with each one being replaced, changing per type of strategy you're playing, and apprently providing no way in which to kill an enemy by taking out their base as it just gets replaced!

It's shoddy, poor quality, and overall exactly what you would expect for EA to crank out. I really hope with all my heart that they pay attention to what people are saying and do something drastically.

[Sgt. Rho]

Dutchygamer, on 20 Jul 2009, 11:18, said:

Am I one of the few who actually likes some of those ideas?

Nope, I actually like these ideas as well. I preffer no base at all anyway

[Stalker]

But no base means no turtling

[Sgt. Rho]

And No Turtling is good.

[JJ]

No base building also means no harassment, no build orders, and more importantly no teching.

[Sgt. Rho]

http://static.f7c-ne...edia/3373/2.jpg

O rly?

Edited by Sgt. Rho, 20 July 2009 - 11:13.

[RaiDK]

And actual strategy perhaps?

I think it's good they're trying something new. The new designs look fine to me.

I think some of you would be foaming at the mouth if this wasn't a C&C game and was made by some no name studio.

[JJ]

Sgt. Rho, on 20 Jul 2009, 19:12, said:

http://static.f7c-ne...edia/3373/2.jpg

O rly?

Yes, harassing an instantly respwaned thing is a good idea which presumably has heavy armour. It would be like harassing a Construction Yard or Command Center, a very bad idea.

[Kichō]

AJ, on 20 Jul 2009, 11:26, said:

The crawler concept could have been very good, but from what I'm seeing here they a) aren't actually crawling vehicles, but walkers. b) look like EA were playing with Lego and decided it would be a good premise for a new game. c) are a horrible game dynamic with each one being replaced, changing per type of strategy you're playing, and apprently providing no way in which to kill an enemy by taking out their base as it just gets replaced!

It's shoddy, poor quality, and overall exactly what you would expect for EA to crank out. I really hope with all my heart that they pay attention to what people are saying and do something drastically.

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It's still in Alpha, and considering EA is going to release a beta for this game, changes will happen. (Yes there has been changes)

[Golan]

Dutchygamer, on 20 Jul 2009, 9:18, said:

Am I one of the few who actually likes some of those ideas?

I don't mind their ideas per se, just how they are totally assraping a promising game series for some completely out of place experiment. There's some stuff that I actually toyed with for a mod as well, trying to fuse tactical RTS and action-based FPS gameplay. But for a game as this, that'd be at best an alternate game mode, not the one and only ever game type.
Well, at least gameplay wise. Design-wise, I feel it's utter crap. Heck, they are even saying themselves that it's supposed to (and should) be "Much more mature and stern" - yet the game looks like it's made of fusion-powered Lego bricks.

[RaiDK]

Promising game series?

This series hasn't gone anywhere for ages.

[Sharpnessism]

Don't really like graphics but that doesn't matter, if the game plays well I'll buy it

The idea of a mobile base is OK, just how well EA implements the idea. Track record isn't too promising though.

[KiraSama]

Golan, on 20 Jul 2009, 14:16, said:

a promising game series

I want to remember you, than if EA didnt buy Westwood, C&C wont exist anymore

then again why i am trying, people bash EA for changing a game at the same time they bash EA for not changing a game

[Wizard]

People bash EA as they don't put the correct effort into a title. They simple see the series as a cash cow. Now they appear to be looking to further widen their market with this release rather than focusing on what could make the gameplay better for the fans who have had to live with their bastardisations for so.

[CJ]

Here's a bigger part of the article : I translated it, so excuse me if there are some mistakes...

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C&C4 will be the last C&C game about Tiberium, the developers want to end the saga but they don't totally exclude the possibility of doing other games after this one.

- The story is set 15 years after C&C 3. The earth is covered by Tiberium, and life seems to be near end. Kane contacted the GDI and announced that he had a solution for that problem, but that he can't reach this goal without the GDI's help. Against all expectations both opponents become allied and they create the Tiberium Network Control, which makes it possible to control Tiberium's expansion and canalize it to create an infinite power source leading the humanity to a new golden era. But not everyone is satisfied, some extremists ended up by unleashing war between the two camps, that's where C&C 4 begins. Kane's secrets will be revealed and the scenario will be less Manichean than in others C&C games.

- EA promised better quality campaign videos, there will be no more silly characters talking to a blue screen, there will be action and the commander whom we are going to embody will not be passive. The videos will still be in first person view and will play a major role in the story. The tone will be also much more serious and mature.

- The gameplay will get closer to a RPG. In every fight led (in multi or solo) experience will be gained, allowing to improve units.
In addition, the crawler will play a main role, all reinforcements will be called from it when it's deployed on the battlefield. It can also evolve like the other units. And if it is destroyed, you won't lose the game because another crawler will arrive at a safe place on the battlefield, like the FPS respawn system. During these respawns, you can choose the crawler's class : offensive, defensive or utilitarian. (NB : Can anyone explain me how the game can end if you get unlimited crawlers allowing for a constant stream of reinforcements ? D: )
Finally, Tiberium will be collected by building an installation on a precise place, a control point for example.

This is the untranslated version if you can read French

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CnC4 sera effectivement le dernier CnC Tiberium, les développeurs veulent mettre fin à cette saga de plus de 15 ans. Ils n'excluent cependant pas la possibilité de faire d'autres jeux mais restent au conditionnel.

- L'histoire se déroule 15 après CnC3. La terre est couverte de tibérium et la vie ne semble plus possible. C'est alors que Kane contacte le GDI et leur annonce qu'il a une solution mais qu'il ne pourra pas l'appliquer sans l'aide matériel du GDI. Contre toutes attentes les deux adversaires historiques s'allient. Les deux camps créent le Tiberium Network Control, qui permet de contrôler l'expansion du tibérium et de le canaliser pour en faire une énergie peu cher et infinie, l'humanité entre dans un nouvel age d'or. Mais tout le monde n'est pas d'accord, des extrémistes finissent par entrainer la guerre entre les deux camps, c'est là que CnC4 commence. On nous révélera tous les secrets de Kane et le scénario sera beaucoup moins manichéen que sur les autres CnC, attention aux surprises.

- EA promet pour les campagnes des vidéos de meilleure qualité, fini les personnages parlant bêtement devant un écran bleu, il y aura de l'action et le commandant que l'on va incarner ne sera pas passif. Les vidéos seront toujours en vue subjective mais notre personnage jouera un rôle dans l'histoire. Le ton sera aussi beaucoup plus sérieux et mature.

- Le gameplay se rapprochera d'un RPG. A chaque combat mené, en multi ou en solo, de l'expérience sera gagnée. Celle-ci permettra d'améliorer ces unités.
De plus le crawler jouera un rôle pivot, c'est depuis lui que toutes les unités seront appelée sur le camp de bataille (quand il est déployé et donc immobile). Il pourra lui aussi évoluer.
Autre point intéressant, quand notre crawler sera détruit la partie ne sera pas perdue, en effet un autre crawler arrivera sur le champ de bataille en un lieu sûr, à la manière d'un FPS. Lors de ces respawn ont pourra choisir la classe du crawler : offensif, défensif ou utilitaire.
Enfin le tibérium sera récolté par la construction d'une installation sur un point précis, un point de contrôle en quelque sorte.

EDIT :

JJ, on 20 Jul 2009, 12:06, said:

No base building also means no harassment, no build orders, and more importantly no teching.

Well the article I posted says that you will have to deploy the crawler in order to be able to build reinforcements, so it looks like we'll have a base anyways, but with only one building...

Edited by Commander Carl, 20 July 2009 - 15:45.

[Sgt. Rho]

Probably like in Battlefield: You have a limited ammount of respawn "tickets".

[Golan]

RaiDK, on 20 Jul 2009, 13:31, said:

Promising game series?

This series hasn't gone anywhere for ages.

Which is why I said "promising" instead of "good".

[BeefJeRKy]

RaiDK, on 20 Jul 2009, 14:12, said:

I think some of you would be foaming at the mouth if this wasn't a C&C game and was made by some no name studio.

I wouldn't say that. The mobile base idea is not new at all. I shall remind you of the Necrons in Dark Crusade. I myself don't mind this new build mechanic but it's a risky maneuver especially with that instant respawn business. As for the art style, it still looks like C&C3 to me. Please lose the glowy bits EA. As for the storyline, it is potentially retarded, but then again, the story all throughout C&C was never a work of art.

[Sgt. Nuker]

The new screens that were released really do nothing for me. In one of the screens, all I see is a smoothed over Mammoth Mk. II with a chin cannon of cartoon proportions. To put it a little more blunt, the fore mentioned mech looks like a cow. The rest of the GDI units are all...mechs. If I wanted to command mechs, I'd play Mech Commander, not a game that is supposed to be in the CnC timeline. Yeah, Nod has tanks, but they don't look as if some professional created them. Seems as if someone's been huffing glue and paying more attention to a toddler's "masterpiece" than what an adult's creative mind could cobble together. Yes, I do understand that CnC 4 is in its infancy and that these screens have been taken from an alpha but really, that is one horrible looking alpha. I honestly don't see the design of any of the units improving by much...if at all.

[Nem]

That is one impressive piece of Cinema.

[Sgt. Nuker]

Alright, my first and only question about the video would be what is Kane holding in his hand at the end? Apparently it's a bargaining "chip" of some sort, if you will entertain that term.

Cinema is impressive, but to be very honest, cinematics will only get you so far. The game must (at least in my humble opinion) live up to the quality of the cinematics (and vice versa).

[Destiny]

Not bad...I quite like the cinema. Though I doubt the GDI people'll stay in a building which has tiberium growing on it >_>

[MentalAss]

I would have expected a more apalled shock on the GDI bigwigs myself, but I regress.

Nuker, that I believe is the Tacitus.